Harvard’s admissions process has always been shrouded in secrecy, but a recent lawsuit is allowing the veil to be lifted. The WSJ’s Nicole Hong and Melissa Korn examined court documents to dig into some of the new findings. Photo: Getty Images.
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Personality? What is this, a dating profile or a university?
Are you surprised how Harvard DEI has normalized cheating given the audacity and rationalization that surfaced around Claudine Gay’s plagiarism?
Um, Asian applicants scored the highest on academic and extra curricular, but lowest on personal. Is it a racist if I said that overwhelmingly, this was my experience of Asian students at my university ? Certainly terms such as "unusual effervescence" or "exceptional" would not have been terms I would use to describe any of them. Terms I would have used to describe them include "rote learning', "assignments completed via paid website" or "ChatGPT"
If employers stop flocking to Ivey league career fairs and exclude looking at what school a job applicant went to, the Ivey league schools wouldn't be where they are
Interesting news, lamely marvelized.
You can only stand out in so many ways, dude. Unless someone invents some new creative and charitable hobby that cannot be refined down to a granular level indistinguishable from other hobbies; there's going to be a point where you've seen it all.
Reap what you sow admissions officers
is it basically just grievence olympics? who is smartest but also has the most misfortune lol? the kids from that book by lemony snicket shoud apply. they would 100% get in
It has been clear for ages that the higher ups at Harvard possess a "good old boys" mindset. This will not change. Apply elsewhere. Wealthy background and white-favoring Ivy league institutions are not the only ones capable of preparing students for the job market.
J__s Emulating White Students
Discrimination is a tacky term, no? I think harvard selects people they like, what's the problem in that? They have no legal nor moral requirement to accept the best most hardworking students, otherwise the demographic would probably be half chinese half upper to middle class american. The only thing they can be accused of is maybe lying when they state they only accept the best students and are not biased. Discrimination is tacky because harvard just doesn't give the opportunity to some maybe Asian students, but again they don't have the responsibility to be the objective criteria of value. For example, I can have an European partner, no one would accuse me of discrimination against Asians.
I'll put it plainly, which family would have more money now? a white man where 5 generations ago his ancestor was free and working a job and building wealth which accumulated over the last 100 years? Or a black family now where 5 generations back their ancestor was picking cotton. Yes individual choice matters but the foundation in my example is stronger for the white family so they always have a leg up the entire time. If we really wanna be about equality the only thing that should matter is test scores…but don't forget…certain zip codes which are gerrymandered get limited funding to begin with and have crummy schools……………which tend to be non white/asian/latino/native/pacific islander
It’s not just about race, American society values dynamic interesting individuals rather than academically high achievements. It’s probably why Harvard has that view on “not so interesting and quiet”
I like how they focused on one group to push the "asian hate" agenda and left out the fact that EVERY other race has a harder chance of getting in now. Unless you're black, you now have a way higher chance of getting in over any other race who is completely qualified. If that's not racist idk what is.
Glad the supreme court called out harvard
Heinous discriminatory practices by Harvard 😢
IQ and EQ you got to be high in both. my question is when do Asians go after legacy admissions? I think there are more seats taken up by those under legacy admissions than those of under-represented and often or black students were first-time college students being admitted into Harvard. Affirm of Action protects black people from discrimination and Asians never had to worry about discrimination because whites are not racist towards them. 13 to 15% of Harvard students are Asian. 4 to 6% are Black. Asians almost double the percentage of their national population at Harvard.
I think Asians are putting themselves in those categories. They think of themselves that way.
Bruh this is pretty stupid. Colleges should evaluate admissions purely based off of merit, with no race in play whatsoever.
There is another VERY sad part of this;
The WHOLE Asian community either has zero idea or just refuses to believe the BLM movement and the black community is not at all on its side. The black community gives all the lip
service the Asian community wants to hear, BUT when reality sets in, its a totally different story!
The number of white and other ethnicities has NOT CHANGED at Ivy league schools, but the black ethnicities has grown AND at the total expense of the Asian community!
The Asian community REFUSES to look at the REAL numbers and percentages of African Americans that have grown at the Ivy league schools, so MANY without even CLOSE the qualifications of the Asian students! This IS where the vague and many nefarious elements that are being pointed out in this video are being used against the Asian community!
The Asian group that is suing Harvard AND Asian groups who are researching this issue– NEED to get honest with themselves and go find the REAL data, as to who is taking THEIR DESERVED, hard earned spot, at so many Ivy league schools! This GAME of looking DIVERSE is NOT at all a white issue, it is TOTALLY an African American issue!
When they hired disgraced people like fired CNN reporter Brian Stelter or former NYC mayor Bill DeBlasio who was labeled the worst mayor in 100 years. A school that considers itself the best of the best would never hire substandard people as professors. They are selling their integrity to show they are progressive.
The lowering the bar of admitting black and Hispanic applicants actually hurts those groups in the end as the standard to be admitted is a freebee, but the classes are just as hard and result in a large number of dropout students with large loans to pay back. Way to go Harvard!
Asian and European Americans are both discriminated against in the admittance process, but it seems to be illegal to mention that. So Asians at least feel good that you get top and only billing in the world of discrimination.
People could just not be boring and get a personality.
No education syatem is perfect but the the Ivy League is a diverse College System.
Columbia Northwestern are also members of the Ivy League.
It doesnt hurt for people to apply to such schools knowing the demands and requirements
but asians are uninteresting and indistinguishable
Although Elizabeth Holmes was from Stanford, would like to know her personality test score.
Certain minority community will lobby for affrimitative actions against minority Asians.
There, I said it, sue me.
You can not discount the well know fact that high academic achievement is very often at the sacrifice of other life skills. Applicants who exhibit excellence in a range of attributes are obviously more desirable as potential alumni. It’s not racism Harvard does a great job.
lol
I get affirmative action, but in their attempt to make schools not majority asian-American (they do in fact have the highest merits academically of all groups) they created a small race war in campuses around the country. What a dumb policy. If they really wanted affirmative action to work they should, idk, repeal the no child left behind era testing, bring equity to underfunded schools, sue and break up companies that profit from schools, and let the common core perish and die like the rotten mess it is. Or that’s just me
AMERICA IS NOT FAIR and it never has been. You always want white people to come first and have the best of everything America has to offer. Have you noticed in every state in America, everywhere white people are concentrated, is the best of everything…the best schools, the best places to live, and the highest-paying jobs follow white people everywhere they go. Everyone else is restricted to the hood and fights for the crumbs leftover. Then, you have the absolute nerve to wonder why so much crime is happening in neighborhoods where there is NOWHERE to get a high-quality education and NOWHERE to get a job that pays above minimum wage. Get a clue!
Regardless of race, everyone needs a high-quality education, a place to work, and a safe place to live. No one is asking you for a handout. People just want a fair and equitable society that doesn't enact laws, policies, and codes of conduct that keep giving preference to white people in every segment of America. Fifty years from now, we'll be talking about the same thing. It's pathetic. People don't want to give up their inflated egos, status, and supremacy in America. That is the real problem.
You want to believe you got where you are on your own merits. You desperately want to think that your advancement in society has nothing to do with white people representing the vast majority of people in power and in positions to hire and promote (other white people). Everyone who isn't white, knows otherwise. People of color working at many companies make keen observations. They notice patterns of behavior that don't seem to make any sense. They know a lot of people in high-ranking positions aren't qualified for the roles they're given, especially when they lack relevant work experience and a history with the company. Lots of privileged people get their jobs because of their relationship to the people in charge and because of majority privilege.
I am single transgender mom also happen to be a lesbian, My religion forbid me to be gay, but I still a true Muslim. Both my parents passed away during the Iraq war. I lost one of my leg, and now suffering from PTSD. I have a GPA of 2.9, but I have to go to medical school because it is the only way I can find a reason to live, otherwise I will die. BTW, I am black, the father of child is Jewish. Please accept, you racists!
This is happening because blacks and Hispanic people can't make it thru by merit.
Harvard and Yale are scraping the bottom of the barrel and it's scary and it shows.
The personal characteristics of the interviewer and evaluators at Harvard should be looked at. This is like the COVID19 virus that has mutated. People forgot the Chinese Exclusion Act. Well, this is the variant resurrected.
The fact hat your parent's factors can also determine rather how a person can enter that college is so screwed up.
Easier to get into college when you are 21 or so. I was 35 when I started college.
I think it's really stupid. There are plenty of Asian students at Harvard, not only Harvard but other top schools. Harvard gave low scores to their personality, so what?? 😶 Honestly, go and study at Tsinghua if you don't like Harvard
Harvard = Anti-Asians = Hate Asians = fascist = racist
Ok, but Harvard is still……..delicious. If Harvard University was a person, I would totally date them 😛
There is NO reason race is a factor in admissions. Socioeconomic status is far more indicative of who is in need compared to race.
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